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Ted's Table

Feb. 8, 2000

This Week, Ted Tackles: Tax on minimum required distributions for workers over 70½ … Why won't my employer let me invest in individual stocks? … Are my 401(k) contributions counted against my Social Security benefits? … What if I return to my former employer after taking early retirement? … Comparing variable annuities and index funds … How 401(k) trustees deal with their own withdrawals when they leave a company.

Question: I'm a 401(k)-plan participant, as well as an employee who works in the administration of a 401(k) plan. My question relates to 70½-year-old participants who want to roll their money to another institution.

I have an issue with a participant who is 75 years old, who rolled over his $500,000-plus account to a brokerage firm. Our company has a policy that when a participant who is at least 70 1/2 years old rolls over their account, we automatically withhold the minimum required distribution and send a check to the participant. We also withhold the 10% federal taxes on the taxable portion.

We told him this would happen. However, he said the IRS told him that we shouldn't have withheld the MRD for him. Do you know of any IRS regulations or documentation saying it's the plan sponsor's discretion to do this?

TB: If the employee in your example left the company during 1999, he or she has until April 1, 2000, to roll the distribution over. That date is the required minimum distribution (RMD) deadline. Your action resulted in the withdrawal of a portion of the money from a tax-sheltered account sooner than was necessary. This action also probably created a taxable distribution one year earlier than was necessary. Most of us don't like to pay taxes any earlier than necessary.

Plan sponsors are only required to correctly identify to the participant the portion of the distribution that is an eligible rollover. If the rollover is made before the expiration of the time for making RMDs, then the entire distribution is eligible for rollover. I'm not aware of any IRS regulations or documentation giving the plan sponsor the discretion to withhold RMDs from a rollover being made on behalf of a participant who is over age 70 1/2 before the RMDs due date.

If the participant is rolling over his entire 401(k) account into an IRA and the participant has other IRAs, the participant may choose to have the RMDs taken out of the other IRAs. There may be reasons why the participant would prefer to do this.

Your plan document probably doesn't permit you to deduct the RMDs before making the rollover since such action does not comply with the requirements of Sections 401(a)(9) and 401(a)(31) of the Internal Revenue Code. This practice would appear to be a disqualifying defect, which should cease. You may also need to consider corrective action for your past actions. I recommend consulting an ERISA attorney.

Question: I asked my employer to include a provision in our company 401(k) plan to invest in individual stocks. He says the third-party 401(k) plan administrator told him that the company will be held liable if I trade stocks in my 401(k) account and lose all the money. Since my employer doesn't want anyone to sue him, he said he wouldn't allow us to trade in individual stocks in our plan. Is it true that an employer can be sued for the losses because of an employee's bad investment in his or her account?

TB: Your employer has good reason to be concerned. There have been instances where participants who made very bad investments have sued either the third-party trustee or the employer, claiming that they should have been prevented from making such investments.

Permitting participants to pick individual stocks also significantly complicates the administration of the plan, which is another reason most employers don't permit this type of investment.

Question: When I got my last statement from the Social Security Administration, the annual salary reflected for 1998 was my salary less my contributions to a 401(k). Are the wages reported to Social Security reduced by 401(k) contributions so that you will get fewer benefits as a result of contributing to a 401(k)? I ask this because benefits are based on average earnings. If earnings were reduced by 401(k) contributions, wouldn't you get smaller Social Security payments?

TB: Your 401(k) plan contributions are subject to Social Security taxes. Apparently Social Security taxes have been deducted incorrectly from your net income after making your 401(k) contributions. During the early years of 401(k), the pre-tax contributions weren't subject to Social Security tax but the law was changed during the 1980s.

To answer your specific question, contact your employer and tell them about the error. Make sure that they correct your withholdings from this point forward. That takes care of the future.

As to the past, your options are limited. If your employer tries to fix this with the Social Security Administration the company will likely be subject to an IRS audit that leads to penalty fees and taxes. What many employers choose to do is let the past go and correct going forward. The employer figures it will take a chance the IRS won't run an audit. And if the IRS does, the employer just pays the back taxes at that time.

Question: If I take early retirement at age 55, I understand I can start making withdrawals from my 401(k) without the 10% penalty since I will have terminated my employment. Assuming this is correct, what effect, if any, would there be if my former employer asked me to come back to handle special projects on a part-time basis? Also, what if I took a part-time job with some totally unrelated company? Obviously, before age 59½ I don't want to trigger the 10% withdrawal penalty.

TB: Working for another employer, part-time or full-time, won't impact how the distribution you receive from your current employer is taxed. The key is to leave your current employer after attaining age 55. The distribution won't be subject to the early distribution penalty tax. The situation is somewhat different if you continue to work for your current employer. You must leave your employer after attaining age 55 in order to avoid the early distribution tax. Continuing to work for your current employer, even part-time, could negate your eligibility for this tax break. I recommend not working for your current employer until after you receive the distribution and the tax reporting form showing that the distribution was for early retirement, not as an early distribution.

Question: I'm 47 and have a 403(b) plan with my company. It uses a variable annuity as an investment vehicle. I could max out the account by contributing 15%, and my tax status will be the same after retirement.

I want to invest in an S&P 500-index fund in the plan, which charges 1.5% as a total expense fee due to 1% "mortality & risk fee." Does it make sense to max out in the plan if I can invest the same amount in an index fund outside the plan with very low expense fees?

TB: If you won't be in a lower tax bracket after retirement, you should probably avoid the extra 1.5% annual fee and put the money into the S&P 500 fund outside the 403(b) plan. You will also have greater flexibility on withdrawing the money both pre- and post- retirement with this type of investment outside the plan.

If a trustee is leaving a company, can he withdraw his own money or does he have to name a new trustee and have that trustee sign off on the withdrawal? Can his former employer hold back his money and not roll it over into an IRA?

TB: One doesn't have to be an employee to be a trustee; therefore, a trustee who is an employee isn't required to resign trusteeship if he terminates employment. A trustee may resign by submitting his written resignation to the employer. The board of directors also may remove a trustee. The board is responsible for selecting a new trustee. It's common practice for the board to remove a trustee when he ceases to be an employee. Until this occurs, the trustee continues to have the full power of a trustee.

Regarding the distribution of the trustee's benefit, he may direct the financial organization that holds his money to distribute it to him if this agrees with the administrative provisions of the plan document and the authorization requirements that have been established with the financial organization. More specifically, if the plan document and the authorization procedures require the signature of only one trustee, then this individual may direct the financial organization to distribute his benefit. It may be desirable to change the procedures to require two signatures for distributions in the future but this will make it more difficult if the trustees are frequently unavailable.

Ted Benna, creator of the first 401(k) retirement savings plan, will answer your most intriguing questions every week. With over 30 years of experience as an employee benefits consultant, Ted is a nationally recognized expert on benefits issues. He has authored two books, Helping Employees Achieve Retirement Income Security and Escaping the Coming Retirement Crisis, and is President of the 401(k) Association. Ted is a frequent speaker at meetings of 401(k) plan sponsors and participants. His articles and comments have appeared in numerous publications, including The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.


The information provided here is intended to help you understand the general issue and does not constitute any tax, investment or legal advice. Consult your financial, tax or legal advisor regarding your own unique situation and your company's benefits representative for rules specific to your plan.
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Ted's Table

Feb. 8, 2000

This Week, Ted Tackles: Tax on minimum required distributions for workers over 70½ … Why won't my employer let me invest in individual stocks? … Are my 401(k) contributions counted against my Social Security benefits? … What if I return to my former employer after taking early retirement? … Comparing variable annuities and index funds … How 401(k) trustees deal with their own withdrawals when they leave a company.

Question: I'm a 401(k)-plan participant, as well as an employee who works in the administration of a 401(k) plan. My question relates to 70½-year-old participants who want to roll their money to another institution.

I have an issue with a participant who is 75 years old, who rolled over his $500,000-plus account to a brokerage firm. Our company has a policy that when a participant who is at least 70 1/2 years old rolls over their account, we automatically withhold the minimum required distribution and send a check to the participant. We also withhold the 10% federal taxes on the taxable portion.

We told him this would happen. However, he said the IRS told him that we shouldn't have withheld the MRD for him. Do you know of any IRS regulations or documentation saying it's the plan sponsor's discretion to do this?

TB: If the employee in your example left the company during 1999, he or she has until April 1, 2000, to roll the distribution over. That date is the required minimum distribution (RMD) deadline. Your action resulted in the withdrawal of a portion of the money from a tax-sheltered account sooner than was necessary. This action also probably created a taxable distribution one year earlier than was necessary. Most of us don't like to pay taxes any earlier than necessary.

Plan sponsors are only required to correctly identify to the participant the portion of the distribution that is an eligible rollover. If the rollover is made before the expiration of the time for making RMDs, then the entire distribution is eligible for rollover. I'm not aware of any IRS regulations or documentation giving the plan sponsor the discretion to withhold RMDs from a rollover being made on behalf of a participant who is over age 70 1/2 before the RMDs due date.

If the participant is rolling over his entire 401(k) account into an IRA and the participant has other IRAs, the participant may choose to have the RMDs taken out of the other IRAs. There may be reasons why the participant would prefer to do this.

Your plan document probably doesn't permit you to deduct the RMDs before making the rollover since such action does not comply with the requirements of Sections 401(a)(9) and 401(a)(31) of the Internal Revenue Code. This practice would appear to be a disqualifying defect, which should cease. You may also need to consider corrective action for your past actions. I recommend consulting an ERISA attorney.

Question: I asked my employer to include a provision in our company 401(k) plan to invest in individual stocks. He says the third-party 401(k) plan administrator told him that the company will be held liable if I trade stocks in my 401(k) account and lose all the money. Since my employer doesn't want anyone to sue him, he said he wouldn't allow us to trade in individual stocks in our plan. Is it true that an employer can be sued for the losses because of an employee's bad investment in his or her account?

TB: Your employer has good reason to be concerned. There have been instances where participants who made very bad investments have sued either the third-party trustee or the employer, claiming that they should have been prevented from making such investments.

Permitting participants to pick individual stocks also significantly complicates the administration of the plan, which is another reason most employers don't permit this type of investment.

Question: When I got my last statement from the Social Security Administration, the annual salary reflected for 1998 was my salary less my contributions to a 401(k). Are the wages reported to Social Security reduced by 401(k) contributions so that you will get fewer benefits as a result of contributing to a 401(k)? I ask this because benefits are based on average earnings. If earnings were reduced by 401(k) contributions, wouldn't you get smaller Social Security payments?

TB: Your 401(k) plan contributions are subject to Social Security taxes. Apparently Social Security taxes have been deducted incorrectly from your net income after making your 401(k) contributions. During the early years of 401(k), the pre-tax contributions weren't subject to Social Security tax but the law was changed during the 1980s.

To answer your specific question, contact your employer and tell them about the error. Make sure that they correct your withholdings from this point forward. That takes care of the future.

As to the past, your options are limited. If your employer tries to fix this with the Social Security Administration the company will likely be subject to an IRS audit that leads to penalty fees and taxes. What many employers choose to do is let the past go and correct going forward. The employer figures it will take a chance the IRS won't run an audit. And if the IRS does, the employer just pays the back taxes at that time.

Question: If I take early retirement at age 55, I understand I can start making withdrawals from my 401(k) without the 10% penalty since I will have terminated my employment. Assuming this is correct, what effect, if any, would there be if my former employer asked me to come back to handle special projects on a part-time basis? Also, what if I took a part-time job with some totally unrelated company? Obviously, before age 59½ I don't want to trigger the 10% withdrawal penalty.

TB: Working for another employer, part-time or full-time, won't impact how the distribution you receive from your current employer is taxed. The key is to leave your current employer after attaining age 55. The distribution won't be subject to the early distribution penalty tax. The situation is somewhat different if you continue to work for your current employer. You must leave your employer after attaining age 55 in order to avoid the early distribution tax. Continuing to work for your current employer, even part-time, could negate your eligibility for this tax break. I recommend not working for your current employer until after you receive the distribution and the tax reporting form showing that the distribution was for early retirement, not as an early distribution.

Question: I'm 47 and have a 403(b) plan with my company. It uses a variable annuity as an investment vehicle. I could max out the account by contributing 15%, and my tax status will be the same after retirement.

I want to invest in an S&P 500-index fund in the plan, which charges 1.5% as a total expense fee due to 1% "mortality & risk fee." Does it make sense to max out in the plan if I can invest the same amount in an index fund outside the plan with very low expense fees?

TB: If you won't be in a lower tax bracket after retirement, you should probably avoid the extra 1.5% annual fee and put the money into the S&P 500 fund outside the 403(b) plan. You will also have greater flexibility on withdrawing the money both pre- and post- retirement with this type of investment outside the plan.

If a trustee is leaving a company, can he withdraw his own money or does he have to name a new trustee and have that trustee sign off on the withdrawal? Can his former employer hold back his money and not roll it over into an IRA?

TB: One doesn't have to be an employee to be a trustee; therefore, a trustee who is an employee isn't required to resign trusteeship if he terminates employment. A trustee may resign by submitting his written resignation to the employer. The board of directors also may remove a trustee. The board is responsible for selecting a new trustee. It's common practice for the board to remove a trustee when he ceases to be an employee. Until this occurs, the trustee continues to have the full power of a trustee.

Regarding the distribution of the trustee's benefit, he may direct the financial organization that holds his money to distribute it to him if this agrees with the administrative provisions of the plan document and the authorization requirements that have been established with the financial organization. More specifically, if the plan document and the authorization procedures require the signature of only one trustee, then this individual may direct the financial organization to distribute his benefit. It may be desirable to change the procedures to require two signatures for distributions in the future but this will make it more difficult if the trustees are frequently unavailable.

Ted Benna, creator of the first 401(k) retirement savings plan, will answer your most intriguing questions every week. With over 30 years of experience as an employee benefits consultant, Ted is a nationally recognized expert on benefits issues. He has authored two books, Helping Employees Achieve Retirement Income Security and Escaping the Coming Retirement Crisis, and is President of the 401(k) Association. Ted is a frequent speaker at meetings of 401(k) plan sponsors and participants. His articles and comments have appeared in numerous publications, including The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.


The information provided here is intended to help you understand the general issue and does not constitute any tax, investment or legal advice. Consult your financial, tax or legal advisor regarding your own unique situation and your company's benefits representative for rules specific to your plan.
401Kafe.com is the premier online community resource for 401(k) participants


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