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Ted's Table

Aug. 22, 2000

This Week, Ted Tackles: How do you determine whether an employee is highly compensated? ... I'm doing 10-year averaging for my taxes; should I take a lump sum from my 401(k)? ... Are the annuity calculations for IRAs the same as for 401(k)s? ... When I took my 401(k) loan there was no fee; we changed trustees and now there is one. Why do I have to pay it? … Can I use my 401(k) money to buy a house? … Is it legal for my husband's company to exclude him, a sales rep, from its profit-sharing plan?

Question: I administer our company's 401(k) plan and I can't find the answer to this question. If we hire an employee this year who will earn an estimated $90,000, is he a highly compensated or nonhighly compensated employee this year?

Since we use a look-back year to determine this and this is a new employee who has no prior wages, what category should I have him in? I must let him know if he will be limited to the 12 percent for HCE or allowed the whole 20 percent, which our NHCEs are allowed.

TB: The rules regarding how employees are separated into the highly and nonhighly compensated groupings are somewhat complex. You must first begin by identifying the plan year that will be tested. In your case, this is the 2000 plan year. The highly compensated employees for the testing year 2000 must include all employees who own at least 5 percent of the company during either 1999 or 2000, and employees who earned more than $80,000 during 1999. An employee hired this year who doesn't own stock won't be a highly compensated employee, regardless of how much the employee earns this year. Certain family members of owners must also be included in the highly compensated group.

The employee you mentioned in your question doesn't have to be limited to the HCE percentage for 2000 if he isn't an owner or related to an owner. You mention that he wants to contribute 20 percent instead of 12 percent. He may do so, but the $10,500 pretax limit must still be applied. This limit must be reduced by any contributions he made to another 401(k) prior to joining your company.

This employee will become highly compensated if he earns $90,000 during 2000. This will push him into the HCE group when you do the year 2001 tests. You will need to restrict his contributions accordingly beginning January 1, 2001.

Question: I'm 65 years old and have just retired. There is $200,000 in my 401(k) account, which I'm allowed to leave there even though I'm retired. It's been recommended that I take out the money as a lump sum since I am eligible to use a special 10-year averaging method for my federal income taxes. I don't plan to be taking any distributions until I am 70½. How do you feel about this strategy as compared to rolling the money into an IRA?

Additionally, I plan to keep the money invested in the same mutual funds regardless of which method I use. What is your opinion on this?

TB: What is best in my opinion depends upon the amount of other taxable income you have. If your taxable income is less than $5,000, a lump sum withdrawal using 10-year income averaging may make sense because the effective tax rate you will pay on the entire distribution will be at the 15 percent rate. I suspect this isn't the case since you say you won't need this money to provide an income at this time. I assume by this fact that your other taxable income is in the $25,000-plus range. If this is correct, the lump sum will be taxed at the 28 percent rate, or higher, if you take it now.

The money will benefit from tax-deferred growth if you leave it in the plan or roll it into an IRA. This is a plus, but if your taxable income remains at the present level or increases, you will ultimately pay a high level of taxes as you withdraw the money each year. Uncle Sam will ultimately get a big chunk of this money. The question boils down to do you want to pay the IRS now or later?

I don't recommend accepting the opinion of a financial advisor whose main interest may be investing the money you have left after paying the tax. You should have an independent tax professional do an analysis of the potential tax liability and net benefit results for both alternatives, if you haven't already done so.

Question: I'm considering retiring from my present employer before I reach age 55. My plan allows distributions without the 10 percent penalty at an age less than 55 if a systematic withdrawal plan is used. The distributions must continue for five years, or until I reach age 59½, whichever is later. I understand that the IRS has three specific methods for calculating IRA distributions that are acceptable to avoid the penalty on an IRA.

1. Do the same IRS methodologies apply to a 401(k) distribution?

2. Where can I find the specific methods for calculating the distributions?

3. Is there a required method to determine the assumed return (such as Prime rate) to be used in the calculations?

I have looked for the specifics but haven't been able to find them. All the information I've found refers to the substantially equal payments but doesn't give details. I asked my fund firm and was told that the distributions must be based on life expectancy and that I could assume any return. I want to assume a lower return rate so that my 401(k) distribution will be smaller. I'll only need a small amount to supplement my company pension/annuity and want the 401(k) to continue to grow for later years of retirement.

TB: The same three methods of computing the minimum distribution apply to both 401(k) and IRAs. You need to follow the rules for distribution under Internal Revenue Code Section 401(a)(9). You need to find someone who has a copy of the code — check your local library or a law library. The interest rate must be reasonable. In the past, the IRS has accepted 120 percent of the 30-year Treasury Bond rate as a reasonable rate. A lower rate should also be acceptable if the money is invested at a lower rate. For example, if you have the money all invested in fixed income investments with a 5.5 percent annual return, using this rate should be reasonable.

Question: I've participated in my firm's 401(k) plan for 10 years and in a Keogh at the firm for about the same time period. Recently our plan was turned over to a new trustee and both plans are being rolled into one defined-contribution plan. I have an existing loan against my 401(k) account. At the time the loan was taken out, there was an application fee paid but no service charge on the loan. During our introductory meeting with the trustee officers, we were given various brochures to read. Their literature states that in addition to an application fee they will charge a $10 per quarter service charge on all loans.

If I didn't have to pay a service charge when I applied for the loan four years ago, why do I have to pay it in the last year of the loan?

TB: Your employer may legally change from one administrative organization to another at any time without the approval of participants. Participants are subject to the fee structure of the new provider, which may be higher or lower than the prior administrative firm. Most providers charge a loan administrative fee, so the fact that you did not have to pay such a fee during the past four years is a plus.

Your employer could, of course, pay this fee for those participants who had existing loans when the provider was changed. You may want to discuss this possibility with the person at your firm who handles your plan.

Question: My husband and I are saving for a house. We heard somewhere that we can roll over my husband's 401(k) into part of a down payment for a house. Our accountant has told us that this is incorrect. By the time we are ready to purchase a home in October, we will only have about $2,500 to $3,000 in his account and about $2,000 in an IRA (in addition to savings). Time (and money) are of the essence, as we live in the San Francisco Bay Area where home prices can increase as much as $100,000 in only a year's time. What are the facts?

TB: If his plan permits it, your husband may withdraw the amount in his 401(k) that he has contributed to use to help buy a primary residence. You should check the summary plan document that was given to him when he enrolled in his 401(k) plan to see if these withdrawals are permitted.

The amount he withdraws will be taxable at your current tax rate, plus a 10 percent penalty tax will be imposed if he is under age 59½. Typically, this means that 35 percent to 45 percent of the amount withdrawn will be lost in taxes.

Let me suggest a strategy that could help you minimize the tax hit. You should buy the house and withdraw the money at the beginning of next year rather than the end of this year. The tax benefits (mortgage interest deduction) gained via home ownership during most of 2001 will more than offset the tax created by the 401(k) withdrawal. You won't gain this offsetting tax advantage if you purchase a home close to the end of the year.

Question: My spouse's company amended its profit-sharing plan, and excluded one group of sales people. This company has several hundred employees and three different sections of commissioned sales people. Only one section was excluded. All employees can participate in the 401(k). Can they legally exclude one group from the profit-sharing plan? Upper management of this group is NOT excluded, just the sales people. These sales people get W-2's, not 1099s. If we wanted to pursue this, whom would we contact?

TB: Yes, an employer may legally exclude a particular group of employees, such as they have done in this instance, if the group excluded is small compared to the total number of employees.

Ted Benna, creator of the first 401(k) retirement savings plan, will answer your most intriguing questions every week. With over 30 years of experience as an employee benefits consultant, Ted is a nationally recognized expert on benefits issues. He has authored two books, Helping Employees Achieve Retirement Income Security and Escaping the Coming Retirement Crisis, and is President of the 401(k) Association. Ted is a frequent speaker at meetings of 401(k) plan sponsors and participants. His articles and comments have appeared in numerous publications, including The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.


The information provided here is intended to help you understand the general issue and does not constitute any tax, investment or legal advice. Consult your financial, tax or legal advisor regarding your own unique situation and your company's benefits representative for rules specific to your plan.
401Kafe.com is the premier online community resource for 401(k) participants


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Ted's Table

Aug. 22, 2000

This Week, Ted Tackles: How do you determine whether an employee is highly compensated? ... I'm doing 10-year averaging for my taxes; should I take a lump sum from my 401(k)? ... Are the annuity calculations for IRAs the same as for 401(k)s? ... When I took my 401(k) loan there was no fee; we changed trustees and now there is one. Why do I have to pay it? … Can I use my 401(k) money to buy a house? … Is it legal for my husband's company to exclude him, a sales rep, from its profit-sharing plan?

Question: I administer our company's 401(k) plan and I can't find the answer to this question. If we hire an employee this year who will earn an estimated $90,000, is he a highly compensated or nonhighly compensated employee this year?

Since we use a look-back year to determine this and this is a new employee who has no prior wages, what category should I have him in? I must let him know if he will be limited to the 12 percent for HCE or allowed the whole 20 percent, which our NHCEs are allowed.

TB: The rules regarding how employees are separated into the highly and nonhighly compensated groupings are somewhat complex. You must first begin by identifying the plan year that will be tested. In your case, this is the 2000 plan year. The highly compensated employees for the testing year 2000 must include all employees who own at least 5 percent of the company during either 1999 or 2000, and employees who earned more than $80,000 during 1999. An employee hired this year who doesn't own stock won't be a highly compensated employee, regardless of how much the employee earns this year. Certain family members of owners must also be included in the highly compensated group.

The employee you mentioned in your question doesn't have to be limited to the HCE percentage for 2000 if he isn't an owner or related to an owner. You mention that he wants to contribute 20 percent instead of 12 percent. He may do so, but the $10,500 pretax limit must still be applied. This limit must be reduced by any contributions he made to another 401(k) prior to joining your company.

This employee will become highly compensated if he earns $90,000 during 2000. This will push him into the HCE group when you do the year 2001 tests. You will need to restrict his contributions accordingly beginning January 1, 2001.

Question: I'm 65 years old and have just retired. There is $200,000 in my 401(k) account, which I'm allowed to leave there even though I'm retired. It's been recommended that I take out the money as a lump sum since I am eligible to use a special 10-year averaging method for my federal income taxes. I don't plan to be taking any distributions until I am 70½. How do you feel about this strategy as compared to rolling the money into an IRA?

Additionally, I plan to keep the money invested in the same mutual funds regardless of which method I use. What is your opinion on this?

TB: What is best in my opinion depends upon the amount of other taxable income you have. If your taxable income is less than $5,000, a lump sum withdrawal using 10-year income averaging may make sense because the effective tax rate you will pay on the entire distribution will be at the 15 percent rate. I suspect this isn't the case since you say you won't need this money to provide an income at this time. I assume by this fact that your other taxable income is in the $25,000-plus range. If this is correct, the lump sum will be taxed at the 28 percent rate, or higher, if you take it now.

The money will benefit from tax-deferred growth if you leave it in the plan or roll it into an IRA. This is a plus, but if your taxable income remains at the present level or increases, you will ultimately pay a high level of taxes as you withdraw the money each year. Uncle Sam will ultimately get a big chunk of this money. The question boils down to do you want to pay the IRS now or later?

I don't recommend accepting the opinion of a financial advisor whose main interest may be investing the money you have left after paying the tax. You should have an independent tax professional do an analysis of the potential tax liability and net benefit results for both alternatives, if you haven't already done so.

Question: I'm considering retiring from my present employer before I reach age 55. My plan allows distributions without the 10 percent penalty at an age less than 55 if a systematic withdrawal plan is used. The distributions must continue for five years, or until I reach age 59½, whichever is later. I understand that the IRS has three specific methods for calculating IRA distributions that are acceptable to avoid the penalty on an IRA.

1. Do the same IRS methodologies apply to a 401(k) distribution?

2. Where can I find the specific methods for calculating the distributions?

3. Is there a required method to determine the assumed return (such as Prime rate) to be used in the calculations?

I have looked for the specifics but haven't been able to find them. All the information I've found refers to the substantially equal payments but doesn't give details. I asked my fund firm and was told that the distributions must be based on life expectancy and that I could assume any return. I want to assume a lower return rate so that my 401(k) distribution will be smaller. I'll only need a small amount to supplement my company pension/annuity and want the 401(k) to continue to grow for later years of retirement.

TB: The same three methods of computing the minimum distribution apply to both 401(k) and IRAs. You need to follow the rules for distribution under Internal Revenue Code Section 401(a)(9). You need to find someone who has a copy of the code — check your local library or a law library. The interest rate must be reasonable. In the past, the IRS has accepted 120 percent of the 30-year Treasury Bond rate as a reasonable rate. A lower rate should also be acceptable if the money is invested at a lower rate. For example, if you have the money all invested in fixed income investments with a 5.5 percent annual return, using this rate should be reasonable.

Question: I've participated in my firm's 401(k) plan for 10 years and in a Keogh at the firm for about the same time period. Recently our plan was turned over to a new trustee and both plans are being rolled into one defined-contribution plan. I have an existing loan against my 401(k) account. At the time the loan was taken out, there was an application fee paid but no service charge on the loan. During our introductory meeting with the trustee officers, we were given various brochures to read. Their literature states that in addition to an application fee they will charge a $10 per quarter service charge on all loans.

If I didn't have to pay a service charge when I applied for the loan four years ago, why do I have to pay it in the last year of the loan?

TB: Your employer may legally change from one administrative organization to another at any time without the approval of participants. Participants are subject to the fee structure of the new provider, which may be higher or lower than the prior administrative firm. Most providers charge a loan administrative fee, so the fact that you did not have to pay such a fee during the past four years is a plus.

Your employer could, of course, pay this fee for those participants who had existing loans when the provider was changed. You may want to discuss this possibility with the person at your firm who handles your plan.

Question: My husband and I are saving for a house. We heard somewhere that we can roll over my husband's 401(k) into part of a down payment for a house. Our accountant has told us that this is incorrect. By the time we are ready to purchase a home in October, we will only have about $2,500 to $3,000 in his account and about $2,000 in an IRA (in addition to savings). Time (and money) are of the essence, as we live in the San Francisco Bay Area where home prices can increase as much as $100,000 in only a year's time. What are the facts?

TB: If his plan permits it, your husband may withdraw the amount in his 401(k) that he has contributed to use to help buy a primary residence. You should check the summary plan document that was given to him when he enrolled in his 401(k) plan to see if these withdrawals are permitted.

The amount he withdraws will be taxable at your current tax rate, plus a 10 percent penalty tax will be imposed if he is under age 59½. Typically, this means that 35 percent to 45 percent of the amount withdrawn will be lost in taxes.

Let me suggest a strategy that could help you minimize the tax hit. You should buy the house and withdraw the money at the beginning of next year rather than the end of this year. The tax benefits (mortgage interest deduction) gained via home ownership during most of 2001 will more than offset the tax created by the 401(k) withdrawal. You won't gain this offsetting tax advantage if you purchase a home close to the end of the year.

Question: My spouse's company amended its profit-sharing plan, and excluded one group of sales people. This company has several hundred employees and three different sections of commissioned sales people. Only one section was excluded. All employees can participate in the 401(k). Can they legally exclude one group from the profit-sharing plan? Upper management of this group is NOT excluded, just the sales people. These sales people get W-2's, not 1099s. If we wanted to pursue this, whom would we contact?

TB: Yes, an employer may legally exclude a particular group of employees, such as they have done in this instance, if the group excluded is small compared to the total number of employees.

Ted Benna, creator of the first 401(k) retirement savings plan, will answer your most intriguing questions every week. With over 30 years of experience as an employee benefits consultant, Ted is a nationally recognized expert on benefits issues. He has authored two books, Helping Employees Achieve Retirement Income Security and Escaping the Coming Retirement Crisis, and is President of the 401(k) Association. Ted is a frequent speaker at meetings of 401(k) plan sponsors and participants. His articles and comments have appeared in numerous publications, including The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.


The information provided here is intended to help you understand the general issue and does not constitute any tax, investment or legal advice. Consult your financial, tax or legal advisor regarding your own unique situation and your company's benefits representative for rules specific to your plan.
401Kafe.com is the premier online community resource for 401(k) participants


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